Wednesday, September 30, 2009

Radical racists views circulate from the so called (FYR)Macedonia Encyclopedia.

New incredible provocation contained in the so-called "Macedonians Encyclopedia, which have written, at the behest of the extreme-right Prime Minister Gruevski, the historians of the Academy of Sciences and Arts of Skopje and presented himself with all solemnity on 16 September[1] . The two-volume work of 1671 pages, the version of which was financed by public funds of this Multietnnic Balkan new born State, according to Mr. Gruevski is absolutely express “the cultural and political past and our present”, the Skopje government not only tries to rewrite history region at will, but consciously alter key elements of Greek national status.

Specifically, on page 67 of the encyclopaedia and under the word "Greek" states that .............. "recent research has shown that the Greek nation as having been descended from black African tribes of the Sahara desert!"

The 260 Slavmacedonians historians, bringing out the government arranged the shipment was, they note that the Greeks, coming from the continent, with virtually cultural backgrounds, "settled by the local appropriating Balkan cultures, which were advanced and shown as its own achievements."

The unprecedented provocation of Skopje government reaches in the point to characterize the Greek culture as result of counterfeiting and intercepting other cultures, while not hesitating to seize the historic Parthenon and even the Homeric epics! "Even the epics of Homer and the Parthenon is not the result of Greek culture, but as result of counterfeiting, adoption and even interception of these local indigenous cultures such as ours, the Macedonia!"

Slavmacedonian academics base theirs view in a paper [2] that have published from a Spanish lab with the corporation of three Slav Macedonians genetic scientists. This paper had concluded that "Greeks are found to have a substantial relatedness to sub-Saharan (Ethiopian and West African) people, which separate them from other Mediterranean groups." The conclusions of the paper were related to the "Black Athena" debate and became embroiled in disputes between Greek and Slavmacedonians nationalists.

Shortly after this, three respected geneticists, Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Alberto Piazza and Neil Risch, argued that the scientific limitations of Arnaiz-Villena's methodology.[3] They stated that "Using results from the analysis of a single marker, particularly one likely to have undergone selection, for the purpose of reconstructing genealogies is unreliable and unacceptable practice in population genetics.", making specific allusion to the findings on Greeks (among others) as "anomalous results, which contradict history, geography, anthropology and all prior population-genetic studies of these groups."
Arnaiz-Villena countered this criticism in a response, stating "single-locus studies, whether using HLA or other markers, are common in this field and are regularly published in the specialist literature" .
No multiple-marker analysis has ever duplicated Arnaiz-Villena's results. In The History and Geography of Human Genes (Princeton, 1994), Cavalli-Sforza, Menozzi and Piazza grouped Greeks with other European and Mediterranean populations based on 120 loci . See the below MDS plot

Then Aryub [4] did the same thing using 182 loci and again no sub-Saharan admixture was detected in the Greek sample. Another study was conducted in 2004 at Skopje's University of S. Kiril and Metodij, using high-resolution typing of HLA-DRB1 according to Arnaiz-Villena's methodology. Contrary to Arnaiz-Villena's conclusion, and no sub-Saharan admixture was detected in the Greek sample.[5]

It seems that even the last study that conducted from FYROM University averted Slavmacedonians of the FYROM to write such as racists comments as regards the Greek nation and the ancient Greek civilization. The disputed data continues to be cited all over the internet, mostly by white supremacists, afrocentrists and Slavmacedonians nationalists (usually VMRO fans and Diaspora Centers like who have political motivations to relate modern and/or ancient Greeks to black Africans.

But now officially FYROM administration adopted these radical views and publish a encyclopaedia that flourish of lies, accuracies and racists views. The genetics, with its appearance of scientific objectivity, holds obvious—albeit illusory—appeal. As Appelbaums [6] remarked for nations with strong claims to territorial sovereignty, genetic data will be irrelevant; for nations with weak claims, such data will always be inadequate. Advocates who look to genetics for a decisive victory are certain to be disappointed.

Nationality is a matter of culture and education and not genetic (mixtures) issue. Who is the person that put blood standards as about the nationality (race)?

The racists and the "white arryan" supremacists that think the colour of the skin and eye or the blood markers are the definition of the race.
Modern Greeks are the descendants of all the peoples who have adopted and retained that language and that civilization from classical times to the present. I am not claim that genetic purity is an ideal for the Greek people and the others racist thinks.Asa I said even Sforza put two others factors except the clusters and these are the language and the history. Modern Greek nation is not an entirely modern formation, for it is based on much older cultural groups (ethnies). Greek ethnies (like Arvanites, Vlachs, Slavophones etc.) present "permanent cultural attributes" such as memory, value, myths and symbolisms. Greek ethnies present a common cultural origin descending from ancient Greece and Byzantium. Thus, as Smith points out, "the challenge for scholars is to represent more accurately and convincingly the relationship of ethnic, cultural (Greek) past to modern (Greek) nation". [7]

[5]- High-resolution typing of HLA-DRB1 locus in the Macedonian population,
[6]- The Gene Wars, Diana and Paul Appelbaum.
[7]- A. D. Smith, National Identity, pp. 51, 236-237


  1. The Greeks are a people who, as much as any on earth, are confident and confirmed in their national identity. There is no need at all to respond defensively when someone, anyone, disparages our collective identity and historical continuity. To do so only suggests doubt and insecurity. Humour and bemusement are often the best responses to ignorance and aggression.

  2. Aldred di Genis below from the "post a comment" box there is a little box that write "comment as...."

    In the right of this little box there are some options as regards the identity that you wish to appear. So you remark the option that you want and then it will appear in the comment.

  3. For interested parties to gain an appreciation of the crack-pot nature of Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, I refer you to his Talk page on Wikipedia ( where he personally has commented.

    In reading through the comments it is quite revealing. One will soon understand that this foolish individual appears to involve himself in making all many pseudo-scientific assertions and conclusions within many and varied fields.

    It appears that anything that this guys (Antonio Arnaiz-Villena) pontificates about can be safely ignored and categorized within the cohort of crack-pots.

    The scientific community does not take him seriously at all.

    The Slavs using Antonio Arnaiz-Villena are just emphasizing that they are the butt of all jokes, they live in a fantasy world and anyone that can cogitate quickly sees through their BS.

  4. There are indigenous Greeks and there are Hellenized people.
    There is a difference.
    Hellenized people include Egyptians (Alexander the Great et al). But they were NOT Greeks.
    Greeks were an indigenous tribe just as the North and South American Native Indians were indigenous tribes.
    The political correctness of making non-Greeks into Greeks is insulting and racist.
    Antonio Arnaiz-Villena is a paid consultant and will make any study fit what you want (read his works in journals if you can find them)- just a note to those who are unfamiliar with his work. Just don't rely on Wikipediacrap folks as your only source of history or knowledge.

  5. Oh, dear. I do hope that Anonymous is one of them. He reminds me of the mules that were once ubiquitous in rural Greece.



  6. Oh really Anonymous @ September 30, 2009 4:40 PM, there were many peoples from many different ethnicities who were exposed to the Hellenic culture and were subsequently Hellenized, although Alexander the Great was definitely NOT one of them, since he was an indigenous Hellene (Greek) by birth, and therefore by definition did not need to be Hellinized, since he was a Hellene. The logic is really quite straightforward and simple, even a Slav should be able to understand this, or as it appears maybe not for a Slav (they like to create their own pseudo versions of history.)

    Furthermore, Megas Alexandros (Alexander the Great) clearly and with no forced imposition placed on him spread his own culture, that being, amazingly enough, the Hellenic culture from Alexandria in Egypt and all the way right-up to the Punjub of India.

    You Slavs really fail to realize and accept this very basic fact. This is not my belief. This is based on fact, firmly seated on a plethora of objective historical evidence from the Ancient Greek Macedonians, themselves, other Greeks, and foreigners, which shows with zero equivocation that they are Hellenes (Greek) and dripping with Hellenismos (Greekness.) Period. No Slavic stuff anywhere to be found, not one iota!

    Yet you and your fellow Slavs continue to deny the above, merely drives a rational individual to conclude that you people exhibit a clear case of cognitive dissonance. Well you're going to have to deal with it, because the facts aren't certainly going to change to fit your deluded idea of the world. Deal with it, and get over it, and then get and embrace your Slavic life. You are Slavs, we Greeks are Macedonians.

    You're fallacious assertions that we Greeks attempt to make non-Greeks into Greeks is more disingenuous BS. It is the Slavs that want to make themselves Greek by attempting to pretend that they have some historical connection to the Ancient Greek Macedonians, rather than your ludicrous and entirely unfounded pseudo-garbage opinions founded on hot-air.

    You Slavic people must really hate who you are, to have to go to these extremes to manufacture your pseudo-identity and try to think that you can sell yourself to the rest of the world as being something that you are definitely are not.

    You are Slavs, you are NOT Macedonians.

    We Greeks are Macedonians, as we are Athenians, Thebans, Corinthians, Thessalians, Cretans, etc. - you get the picture, it's really quite simple, really, truly.

    For the Wikipedia reference, it is relevant because it contains discussions from the man himself, Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, on the Talk page ( so you can get more of a feel on what he is on about. As I said before, it's very revealing.

  7. Carol,

    I love it, really love it! LOL

    You have said it so eloquently, I like your style!


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